tsuki-hidenka
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Post by tsuki-hidenka on Feb 25, 2007 8:15:04 GMT -5
A board for all those things that we don't clearly know about the series and for any theories you may have.
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tsuki-hidenka
Crystal Senshi
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Post by tsuki-hidenka on Mar 24, 2007 9:52:49 GMT -5
Supposedly when sailor moon becomes neo queen serenity she looses her powers as a soldier, but in the manga there is a sailor cosmos which is the future form of sailor moon.
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Post by thesmallkitty on Mar 24, 2007 14:02:39 GMT -5
eek. I already posted my thoughts in the cannon or not board. x.x But I think Sailor Cosmos is just another Sailor Solider, but one that's in the far, far future. Here's the quote from my book; "The Sailor Moon that just saved the galaxy is Sailor Cosmos' true form. Like Eternal Sailor Moon did ... ... when I receive the power to lose and save everything ... ... that is when I truly become Sailor Cosmos." This was from the Toyko Pop translation, so take it with a grain of salt. I think because Sailor Moon showed her (Cosmos) just how powerful and courageous she was by jumping into the Galaxy Cauldron left a deep impression on Cosmos. But the bad thing about the manag is everything is left up to how the reader views what's being written. But that's just my two cents.
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moon4eva
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Post by moon4eva on Mar 24, 2007 14:02:41 GMT -5
ok im confused lol but thats just me lol
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Post by thesmallkitty on Mar 24, 2007 14:17:53 GMT -5
lol The manga can get really confusing sometimes but it's still really good.
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moon4eva
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Post by moon4eva on Mar 24, 2007 18:39:48 GMT -5
yea i no lol
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Post by mochibuni on Mar 28, 2007 6:10:58 GMT -5
Sailor Cosmos is Usagi. She says so when speaking of how lonely Usagi was during that time, roughly calling Usagi the "me of here." She also states she returned to the past to fix her mistake, that she didn't destroy the cauldron when she was given the opportunity. Sine Chibi Chibi only exists in order to return to the past, that means only Usagi is the one to originally have the opportunity to destroy the cauldron. She has Usagi's memories, meaning that she's a reincarnation of Usagi.
It's possible for the Neo Queen to have lost her powers of just being Sailor Moon. Meaning that at some point she can become a soldier again by being Cosmos. It's also possible that Cosmos is a reincarnation of Neo Queen Serenity, which is probably more probable since Cosmos is supposed to come from the distant future.
Also, what Usagi does in the past directly changes the future. When we first meet Neo Queen Serenity, she has the Cutie Moon Rod. It's only after Usagi defeats Nemisis that Neo Queen Serenity has the Spiral Heart Moon Rod-- and that's because the Spiral Heart Moon Rod was created specifically to destroy Nemisis. If the Neo Queen we meet in the comic is supposed to be a cut and dry, "this is exactly what the future is like," then the Neo Queen would have had the Eternal Tiere and the Soldiers in their double skirt fuku.
It's entirely possible that the Usagi we know will have a different future than the one presented in the Black Moon and Stars arc. I believe that it will be very similar to what Naoko had penned in the Black Moon arc since Usagi and Mamoru had a coronation in the Dream arc, but there certainly would be some differences. That leaves the possibility for Usagi's Neo Queen Serenity to be able to retain her soldier powers. All we do know for certain is that Usagi will some day be queen and eventually become the guardian of the Cosmos Seed.
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Post by thesmallkitty on Mar 31, 2007 13:20:18 GMT -5
But wouldn't the next Solider of the Moon be Chibi Usa after Usagi becomes Neo Queen Serenity?
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Post by mochibuni on Mar 31, 2007 15:06:50 GMT -5
Most likely since Chibi Usa is Sailor Chibi Moon. She may become an evolved form of Sailor Moon, hence why Usagi later has no connection to the moon in her Soldier name at all, but Chibi Usa will never fully replace Usagi's Sailor Moon, mainly because they both use different Sailor Crystals. Chibi Usa develops her very own Silver Crystal in the Black Moon arc, never taking her mother's. You can see this after Chibi Usa transforms into Chibi Moon for the first time and Venus is still holding Neo Queen Serenity's Silver Crystal well after.
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tsuki-hidenka
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Post by tsuki-hidenka on Apr 3, 2007 11:15:41 GMT -5
I think it is pretty definite that sailor cosmos is usagi as she says, "I remember the battle here...If I destroyed the cordon back then... myself here". Chibi-Moon didn't actually become a senshi untill afer usagi became neo queen serenity so she could be seen as the new soldier of the moon, or the protector of crystal tokyo. She could have inherited the sailor crystal of the moon, as assuming that neo queen serenity doesn't have powers as a senshi, she wouldn't have the sailor crystal of the moon anymore as she isn't a sailor. This also comes to the debatable point about how the sailor crystals come about. I read in the manga guardian cosmos says something about queen serenity coming to the cordon with a small star's shell and a shine like usagi's. If the shine was usagi's and serenity was getting her from the cordon to be born, because we never hear anything of princess serenity's father if she has one. It would make some sense to assume she didn't have one, as she was the sensi of the moon and Sailor Cosmos says "These are the scouts before they have travelled to their planets" reffering to the lights in the cordon. So from this we could take that Queen Serenity retrieved Princess Serenity from the cordon to be the protector of the moon, her daughter and heir. Or the Chibi-Usa thing could relate to whether or not Queen Serenity was a senshi, meaning that the shine guardian cosmos was reffering to would be the shine of the moon sailor crystal, and if she was we could debate the same about usagi becoming sailor moon. If Queen Serenity was a scout she lost her powers before usagi became sailor moon, as she died, there wouldn't have been two sailor moons at once and this could explain why Princess serenity wasn't a senshi. If this is so in both cases there would have only been one soldier of the moon at one time.
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Post by mochibuni on Apr 4, 2007 2:03:30 GMT -5
Princess Serenity wasn't a soldier because she wasn't trained to be one. Luna says she decided to train Usagi as a soldier because she felt it necessary, and it wasn't something she had done before in the past. If Luna had remembered properly that Usagi is the Moon Princess, she probably wouldn't have trained her (I think it's insinuated that the reason why Luna could not remember Usagi being Serenity is so that it wouldn't compromise her want for Usagi to be a Sailor Soldier).
Neo Queen Serenity does have the Sailor Crystal of the moon. Just because she isn't able to be a Soldier anymore doesn't mean she has to give up her Sailor Crystal. Usagi!Neo Queen has the Silver Moon Crystal, and she will continue to have it until it evolves into another form. Chibi Usa does inherit the Silver Crystal, in a sense, but it isn't Neo Queen Serenity's.
Guardian Cosmos says that all Sailor Crystals are born and reborn in the Galaxy Cauldron, and that new ones evolve with their own planet. Queen Serenity didn't necessary "retrieve" her daughter from the Cauldron, she left the Cauldron with her. Queen Serenity and Usagi are pretty much the same person, hence why Usagi is called her "carbon copy." Queen Serenity and Usagi share the same Sailor Crystal. Totally unlike Chibi Usa who formed her own Silver Crystal, Usagi uses the exact same one Queen Serenity used.
Queen Serenity was most likely never a Soldier, she was a queen. You do not need to be a Sailor Soldier in order to have a Sailor Crystal.
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Post by thesmallkitty on Apr 4, 2007 17:39:12 GMT -5
Now for some reason I can't see Usagi fleeing from a battle. (Sailor Cosmos VS Sailor Chaos)
Be it that she ran for a good reason, but to me Usagi always seemed to find a way to solve problems without having to run away from battle.
I guess that's why I can see Usagi being Sailor Cosmos because she just isn't a coward when it comes down to doing the right thing.
I'll have to peek at my Alex Glover translations, seems that very translation has different variations of the story. :/
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tsuki-hidenka
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Post by tsuki-hidenka on Apr 5, 2007 5:42:39 GMT -5
True, I can't see Usagi running away from a battle, exspecially after defeating chaos in the stars series, but maybe cosmos didn't do that when she was Usagi so the future would have changed. I was also thinking about sailor chaos, since you brought it up. Sailor Cosmos refers to Sailor Chaos as he. I know chaos is a he but senshi are girls, so again something to discuss, it could be a translation issue but I'm not sure.
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Post by mochibuni on Apr 5, 2007 12:07:25 GMT -5
I think Chaos is a he until the future, where he evolves to a girl? Actually, I like to think of him as genderless for a bit since it was able to make clones of himself and they ended up being different sexes. XD But that's more preferred thinking. >.>
While we don't think Usagi would run away, that doesn't mean she couldn't. We don't necessarily now how it is in the future and what Cosmos was feeling. Cosmos may even have rationalized that the only way to save everything is to go to the past, and then change her mind upon reuniting with her past ideals. And, yeah, I agree that Usagi may have changed the future slightly when she encountered Cosmos. Our Usagi!Cosmos may not run away this time.
Also, Usagi wasn't always like the way she is in Stars. Even with all her past memories, Cosmos may not have the same level of determination if she's lacking experience and maturity. I mean, first arc? Usagi runs off and kills herself. I think Usagi feels very strongly about her ideals due to experience, and if Cosmos never has that experience first hand, well...
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moon4eva
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Post by moon4eva on Apr 16, 2007 4:54:46 GMT -5
ok lol *still confused*ha ha ha
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